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Statut de Haelwenn /ɛlwən/ :bzh: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me) sur Saturday, 02-Jan-2021 07:37:38 CET
Haelwenn /ɛlwən/ :bzh:
Oh noes.I realized that Gemtext is about as limited in formatting as mastodon posts. -
Statut de Ignas Kiela (ignaloidas@mastodon.gamedev.place) sur Saturday, 02-Jan-2021 13:19:32 CET
Ignas Kiela
@lanodan Gemtext is the case of trying to make stuff simpler, and in the end making stuff too simple. For the love of god, I'd rather return to BBS'es rather than use gemini as my main information transport.
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Statut de Haelwenn /ɛlwən/ :bzh: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me) sur Saturday, 02-Jan-2021 13:19:32 CET
Haelwenn /ɛlwən/ :bzh:
@ignaloidas Gemini doesn't implies only gemtext. -
Statut de Haelwenn /ɛlwən/ :bzh: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me) sur Saturday, 02-Jan-2021 13:31:38 CET
Haelwenn /ɛlwən/ :bzh:
@ignaloidas Sure but Gemini is much more strongly opinionated on the protocol than how HTTP is.Plus web browsers have an history of being horrible with even just HTML, try https://hacktivis.me/notes/VR-wayland.gmi in different web softwares, Firefox takes it incorrectly as a binary, WebKitGTK takes it correctly as text.I have .md files as text/plain in nginx because of that crap. -
Statut de Ignas Kiela (ignaloidas@mastodon.gamedev.place) sur Saturday, 02-Jan-2021 13:31:39 CET
Ignas Kiela
@lanodan Doesn't look like anyone actually cares about the transport side that much, from what I see the thing most people focusing on when talking about "why gemini" is the simplicity of gemtext. From my short wanderings around, I haven't seen anything but gemtext. It's like HTTP: it technically doesn't imply HTML, but nobody really cares about using HTTP mainly as a transport for some other format (for end users, API's is another thing).
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Statut de Ignas Kiela (ignaloidas@mastodon.gamedev.place) sur Saturday, 02-Jan-2021 13:45:36 CET
Ignas Kiela
@lanodan Well, yes HTTP isn't that good of a protocol, and I haven't investigated Gemini either. But the point I make, is that gemtext is horribly terrible compared to stuff we had 30 years ago, and the "gemini community" doesn't want to change that. I have seen at least several discussions in gemini browsers that went like this:
"Maybe we should add markdown support to our browser""No, this is gemini, we use gemtext here and anything else is supplemental data"
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Statut de Haelwenn /ɛlwən/ :bzh: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me) sur Saturday, 02-Jan-2021 13:45:36 CET
Haelwenn /ɛlwən/ :bzh:
@ignaloidas Well markdown is quite a hell to support since it doesn't have a proper specification seen as official and doing markdown after a while tends to involves HTML or incompatible formats (pelican, hugo, pandoc, …).And stuff like CommonMark doesn't makes it any easier to parse (and IIRC has a bunch of lacking areas).
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